Some thoughts on conducting qualitative interviews

Talking to people about their perceptions of the world, about their personal experiences, about their beliefs, their interpretations of the Truth, their failures and triumphs, in other words about their subjective world is never easy. Listening to and understanding a narrative requires not just your interest and curiosity but a genuine respect and openness from your side. It is an art that comes only with great practice and time and even then, often, words and language are never really enough.

I am only a beginner.

My interest lies in understanding the role of the Guru in a disciple’s life and I have undertaken 16 interviews with spiritual practitioners of 4 different Ashrams. They have all been associated with their respective Ashrams at least for 25 to 30 years.

Talking to people about their Gurus and their spiritual journeys has been immensely inspiring and rewarding. My participants have opened up my world in a way that I could have never thought possible especially while pursuing a so called “research project.” I feel a simple and sincere connection with most of them. Somehow they easily found a way into my heart and I think they will remain there for a long, long time.

I encountered many setbacks, fears, doubts, and made many mistakes while conducting the interviews. Some of these were easy to resolve, with others I am still struggling. Sometimes I was quick to learn from my mistakes whereas at other times I was not even aware that I was erring. Conducting a good, narrative interview is tough and it can never really be perfect.

Listed below are some of the confusions I went through while pursuing the interviews. They are taken out form the field notes I wrote during my stay at the different Ashrams.

  1. I am speaking to people who have spent years pursuing their personal sadhana. Am I (a novice) capable of really comprehending their journeys?
  2. Spiritual experiences, spiritual journeys are often advised to be kept secret. How can I help them open up and share at least some of their personal experiences?
  3. I come from a radically different spiritual/ philosophical background… will I be able to understand their philosophy and their spirituality?
  4. I have a Guru of my own. How do I respect and open up to their Gurus? If I am not open, how can I expect them to really share and be open about their Guru and their journey?
  5. Am I being unfaithful to my Guru if the stories told by the participants about their Gurus deeply touch my heart?
  6. How to get rid of the feeling that my Guru is better than theirs?
  7. My interviewees are intelligent people. They can read my face, understand from where my question arises and they answer accordingly. So the quality and truthfulness of the answers will depend on my honesty and interest. The more genuine I am the more truthful will the interviews be.
  8. At the time of the interview I have to be open like a kid and really listen to the story being told.

Here is an extract from the field notes that I wrote after my second interview. It shows clearly how manipulative I was, and how I was trying to get the “right” answers, and then I realized how futile that turned out to be.

“I want certain answers in a certain way — I re-ask the question and try my best to bring out the answers in the shape and tone I want them in. I have a certain map already made in my head and I want to fit everything into it. What I should do instead is to be ready and open to make a new map every time… The language and background is often very different of the respondent and myself. We try and bring a balance and try and understand each other but in doing this (trying to make a somewhat readable map) the depth of the sharing takes a back seat.

In order to really understand the other — I must be silent from within. Deep thoughts, experiences, feelings can only be understood in a respectful Silence. Language is incapable of getting the essence.”

Here is another extract after the 5th interview (I think I had already learnt some of the lessons):

“Some of them completely did not answer some of the questions. I did not push them, did not try to force them into replying. I did not put words into their mouth, did not try to interpret immediately and translate into my language and understanding. I just let it flow…. ”

To sum up and illustrate the sheer difficulty of conducting a good qualitative interview here is an incident that took place in the Ramana Maharshi Ashram.  I had been gently pestering a 90 year old sadhak to grant me an interview. He kept telling me “Come tomorrow.” On the day I was leaving he saw me and said,

“Ah, your interview! Ok, I am ready but remember, ‘That Self which is in you; that Self which is in me; that Self which is in all — feel that Self and then ask your questions.’”

What could I ask then? Nothing!

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Two ways of applying Indian Psychology

There are two distinct ways in which Indian Psychology can be applied; there is a gradient between these two approaches, and many mixed forms are possible, but conceptually it is useful to distinguish them. The first could be called instrumental or pragmatic, the second essential or paradigmatic.

In the first approach, decontextualised ideas and techniques from the Indian tradition are used as adjuncts to existing ways of dealing with human beings that are standard within the present global civilization. Typical examples are the way yoga-asanas are used as fitness exercises that increase physical beauty and lower blood pressure; the rebranding of meditation as a relaxation response that helps to cope with the stresses of corporate life; and the use of vipassana as a stabilizing adjunct to psychotherapy. All these are, no doubt, for the good, but one cannot help but feel that they miss out on the essence, on the most beautiful, and in the end most important core of the Indian tradition.

Of the second, the essential or paradigmatic use of the Indian tradition, it is much more difficult to find good examples. One could perhaps think of the philosophical stance of some post-Newtonian physicists like Erwin Schrödinger, the educational experiments based on the work of Krishnamurti and Sri Aurobindo and, of course, certain developments in Transpersonal Psychology.

For those who try to apply the theoretical core of the Indian tradition to their psychology practice in fields like education, psychotherapy, counselling, inner growth and self-help, it is useful to make one further distinction. This is the distinction between approaches that emphasize the outer, instrumental nature[1] , and those that focus on finding the Self. There is natural tendency to start with changing one’s outer nature, and in strongly structured paths like that of Patanjali, an extensive list of social and outward practices are mentioned as first steps that need to be taken up seriously before one can safely embark on the higher and more inwardly oriented steps of yoga. The reason for this sequence is that a certain harmonisation of the outer nature, even if not essential for finding the Self, is still likely to make the inner quest more safe and secure. But the argument should not be taken too far. It is true that too early, too exclusive a quest for the Self can lead to what the Americans call “spiritual by-passing”. But it is also true that too early and too exclusive a stress on outer perfection, if it succeeds at all, tends to lead to hypocrisy and to a hard to break spiritual ego. If it fails, it is likely to lead to endless and completely unnecessary frustration. The fact of the matter is, that a real and lasting change of one’s nature is only possible once one has found a safe haven in one’s eternal Self. It is not for nothing that in the Puranic stories, the devas, the divine powers of the mind, only win their eternal battle with the asuras, the darker sides of human nature, once they have acquired knowledge of the Self. On a more mundane level, this is the inner reason that mindfulness helps in CBT: even a little stepping back, moving just a tiny bit closer to one’s eternal Self, helps to face one’s inner demons more effectively.

It is a subtle balance and one of many areas where Buddha’s middle path may offer the safest option.


  1. The term “instrumental nature” is based on the idea that we are not so much clever animals that may or may not have a soul, but that we are souls who may or may not have a body and mind. In other words, in our essence we are a conscious, eternal and immutable Self; in our naïve, unregenerate state we tend to identify with our body-mind; but as we develop we can learn to identify with our eternal Self, and then use our body-mind as an instrument to manifest ourselves in the socio-physical world.  ↩
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The Mindful Rat

What if I told you that we are behaving like conditioned rats inside a Skinner Box?

Let me go back in history a little bit. About one hundred years ago, Ivan Pavlov discovered classical conditioning in his famous experiments with dogs. The dogs heard the ringing of a bell and then received food. After several of those pairings, the bell alone was sufficient to elicit salivation in expectation of food. In the same way an unpleasant stimulus (e.g., electric shock) can be paired with the ringing of a bell (or anything else basically), resulting in a panic reaction. Like here:

Fun With Psychology: Pavlov’s Classical Conditioning (D.D.P.)

A few years later, B. F. Skinner coined the term operant conditioning to describe how voluntary behavior could be modified using reward and punishment. Most of his experiments he conducted on rats by putting them into an operant conditioning chamber, now known as Skinner Box. Desired behavior was rewarded and undesired behavior was punished, with the result that the rats showed that specific behavior more or less frequently, respectively. Another demonstration with humans:

Sheldon Shaping Penny in Big Bang Theory

Behaviorism was born, basically saying that all that should be of interest to psychologists is observable behavior, what the physical body does. And although behaviorism has been complemented by cognitive psychology, for instance, and psychology has moved on in many fields, it is still highly influential and any standard textbook defines psychology as the study of behavior.

Now, what if I told you that we are basically behaving like that rat inside a Skinner Box (I know I asked this before, just repeating it to create some tension…)?

Let me explain. Generally, we are pleasure seekers and pain avoiders. Agree? If there is something we like, we want more of it, start craving it. If there is something we dislike, we want it to cease as quickly as possible and we develop an aversion towards it. Cravings and aversions. Even our appetite for food is a craving, as is our motivation to do work that we don’t like in exchange for money. And our unwillingness to get started with the work we are supposed to be doing (instead of procrastinating) is an aversion, just as we are inclined to not park our car in a no-parking zone because we don’t want to pay the fine.

So, the behaviorists were right? Well, I must admit that in many cases behaviorism describes my own behavior pretty well and that therefore the behaviorists have a good point with their theory. However, that’s also where it stops, at describing observable behavior. One reason why behaviorism has been so influential is that it has enormous applications for rulers, corporations, advertisers, parents, teachers, your boss, and the list could go on and on… It has become a philosophy, deeply penetrating our society. Our whole life we have been trained to do things in order to receive rewards and to avoid punishment. You go through a red light? You get a fine. You want to be attractive? Buy that new perfume/after shave. You want your pocket money? Clean up your room. You want to get good grades? Write/say what the teacher wants to hear. You want to get promoted? Be nice to your boss and work overtime. I am not saying that all of this is bad. It is an essential part of conforming to society to show certain behaviors. But these examples show how powerful behaviorism is. We have been conditioned to play by certain rules.

Anyways, the root of the problem goes even deeper. Even without governments, advertisers, marketers and the like our own body has conditioned our mind to play by certain rules. Why is that? We have come to associate certain stimuli that come into contact with our consciousness with a valuation that we give to them when they are perceived. We find them either pleasant or unpleasant. This valuation results in a bodily sensation and we react accordingly with craving or aversion towards that sensation depending on whether we find it pleasant or unpleasant, further strengthening the link. To summarize:

consciousness –> valuation –> bodily sensation –> reaction (like/dislike)

You might say: so what? It is good to seek pleasant sensations and avoid unpleasant ones. The former are beneficial for us and the latter make us stay away from things that are bad for us. For example, I need to eat in order to sustain my body and I must stay away from pain because pain is the result of something harming my body and I don’t want my body to be harmed. True, but our cravings for pleasant sensations and our aversions towards unpleasant ones also make us unfree, make us slaves of our own mind-body complex. Instead of acting we are merely re-acting in response to certain stimuli because we have conditioned ourselves to do so. And with every automatic reaction in response to a bodily sensation, the link becomes stronger, we become more and more conditioned. In fact, we have become over-conditioned in such a way that often, by seeking pleasure and avoiding pain, we end up creating misery for ourselves. Just think of the many occasions when you were supposed to finally get that work done (whatever it is) but instead you chose to do something else and you ended up being very stressed. Or remember that last time somebody said something mean to you and your reaction was to throw back some harsh words, leaving you unbalanced for the rest of the day. These are the obvious things and they may not apply to each one of us but there are many instances when we create misery for ourselves because we automatically react to our bodily sensations and many of those instances actually go unnoticed because we are constantly busy with one thing or another.

Okay, enough with that depressing talk! Because, what the behaviorists did not tell us, is that there is a cure to this and that the rat can escape from the box. In fact, the cure is older than behaviorism itself, much older. This shows that the conditioning about which Western scientists only found out about one hundred years ago, is an old phenomenon. Of course, since they did not invent it but merely discovered the principle. The name of the cure is Vipassana (or mindfulness), of which the origins go back to the time of the Buddha, about 2,500 years ago. Vipassana is a technique that is being taught in meditation and it is basically the objective and non-reactionary observation of one’s bodily sensations which are arising and passing away while maintaining perfect equanimity. That is, one observes one’s bodily sensations and whenever a thought enters one’s mind, or one feels an itching sensation, or a pain, or any other sensation–pleasant or unpleasant–one does not react to it, one just observes neutrally, like a scientist for a moment and then returns one’s attention to the object of meditation, to the bodily sensations. All the while, one keeps in mind that the inherent nature of all sensations, all phenomena is to automatically arise and pass away. Some of them may stay for some time while others may pass away quickly, it doesn’t matter. By simply observing, one slowly gets rid of the deep-rooted conditionings that one has acquired in the past. Vipassana puts in front of us as the ultimate goal nothing less than one’s complete liberation from all conditionings, which is definitely quite an ambitious aim to have. However, while the goal defines where the journey is going, the effects of Vipassana are to be felt instantaneously, although they can be quite subtle to begin with.

I know, all of this sounds quite technical and theoretical. It is one of the reasons why Vipassana is not only to be understood intellectually but to be practiced because only then true understanding can occur. Vipassana is called a form of insight meditation because by practicing it one gains insight into one’s own nature. The level of insight is fairly limited to the interaction between mind and body as that is what the technique focuses on. However, I can say from my own experience that the technique is very powerful and useful–and that Vipassana and similar techniques are a necessary step in our development as a human race. We are the result of millions and billions of years of evolution and nature has evolved us to a point at which we have come to a point that we are able to take evolution one step further by getting the control over our mind-body complex and ultimately rise above it. In order to be able to get rid of greed, anger, aggression, envy, jealousy and so forth which are the result of our perception of being a separate entity (our ego) that needs to struggle against other egos to survive in this world, we must develop qualities of true cooperation and compassion that enable us to move on. Just imagine that once all the cells that now form our bodies existed as separate entities until some of them decided to come together and form something greater, to take evolution to the next phase. We are at that point right now where we can give up our egos for a united global human society.

Mindful rat meditating in Skinner Box If Skinner’s rats had known Vipassana meditation…

This post might seem somewhat unrelated to India. In probably the next post I will explain how this relates to Sri Aurobindo’s ideas and to Auroville, a universal city taking shape in close proximity to Pondicherry where an attempt is being made to live these ideals of human unity.

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Zen and the Art of Cycle Maintenance

A few days ago I rented a cycle for the coming three months. The most beautiful cycle I ever had. She is incredibly heavy, rusty and greasy but all of that doesn’t matter. Have a look at her to convince yourself:

Isn't she a beauty? Isn’t she a beauty?

Now to the actual story that I want to tell. The guy who is renting the cycle to me owns this small bike repair shop which is a tiny hut on the side of the main street in Pondicherry. People come to him to get their bikes fixed. And he does that with a passion and devotion which is incredible. It is very meditative just to watch him repair bikes because he is so into it. Which is why I was reminded of Robert M. Pirsig’s book “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” which is a philosophical account of how we can reunite the cold and rational field of technology with the warm and creative field of art. This is where Zen comes in, the Eastern art of becoming one with the activity, to engage fully and with one’s whole being in it, appreciating every little detail of it–be it walking in nature, serving tea, or repairing (motor)cycles.

This process of reunification of the rational and the creative is something that has already started taking place in science and in psychology. Most of us have realized by now that we as a human race cannot continue living in this way–removed and distant from nature and therefore in constant struggle with it. Good that we have come at least thus far because admission is the first step to recovery. But it is only the first step and we still have a mile to walk. The question one must ask is: If we cannot continue living in THIS way, then in which way should we or do we want to live? I will and cannot give a definite answer but certainly we must start living according to a higher wisdom, a higher knowledge; get from it the answers to the most pressing issues that we as earthlings face today.

How to access that knowledge? A first step is to acknowledge that we as individuals are not independent. We are inherently connected to and embedded in this world. Whatever we do to our environment, to others will come back on us. Come back on us not eventually but immediately, in the form of regrets, anger, depression. So, whatever we do to others, to our environment we ultimately do to ourselves. But we must go further. Go further and practice that egolessness which results from our acknowledgment that we stand not a-part from the world but are, in fact, part of it. A good way to start is to practice meditation or mindfulness. In the beginning one may not know what one is doing but slowly one starts to see that a change has come, only a very subtle change, but one that is noticeable. The things that one’s mind is usually busy with, ruminates about suddenly start disappearing. I would like to argue that some form of meditation or mindfulness practice should be part of the school curriculum and of everyone’s daily life because it gives one the ability to stop for a split-second and intentionally change one’s automatic reaction from something negative to something slightly more positive. Reaction now becomes action.

These small changes add up to a wiser and more knowledgeable way of making use of our current-day technology. Instead of seeing technology and ourselves as separate from nature, they become integrated and we lose our egos in something greater than us.

I would like to close with something I noticed about the traffic here in India. At first, it seems very chaotic and as if there were no rules. Everybody is constantly honking, the traffic is very loud. After a while, though, one sees that there is one rule which is very important, which stands out: Be mindful of others. Everyone is taking care of everyone else. Nobody gets angry because you were cutting them off or were taking their right-of-way. People will honk but that simply means: I am here, take notice of me. Similarly, before somebody overtakes you, they kindly blow their horn. Once one has realized this, the seemingly chaotic honking suddenly becomes a concert, a symphony of compassionate co-motorists and co-cyclists.

Therefore, because it is such an essential device, my friend from the bike repair shop, when I told him that the bell jammed regularly, took about half an hour to fix it, assembling it from several different spare parts that he keeps in his box, bending them in this or that way, giving them a little knock with the hammer, generously applying some used engine oil as a lubricant until the bell was finally able to sound in with the concert of the surrounding traffic.

Taking great care fixing the most important part on a cycle: the bell Taking great care fixing the most important part on a cycle: the bell

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A few preliminary words…

Welcome dear reader! You are reading my first blog post for IPI. First of all, a few words about myself. I arrived in Pondicherry about two weeks ago, coming from Germany. Just having finished my university education in psychology and cognitive neuroscience in Maastricht, The Netherlands, I was not satisfied with the kind of jobs I could apply for. However, there was still another possibility… One year ago, in November 2011, Matthijs Cornelissen gave a wonderful lecture at our university about Indian Psychology. It had left me very inspired and I felt that this link between yoga and psychology was very important for the future of humanity. So, I decided to write him an email and after a very uncomplicated exchange in which he told me that I was very welcome here I booked my ticket to India. With my background in ‘standard’ psychology and neuroscience I have to do a lot of reading in order to grasp Sri Aurobindo’s vision. I will use this blog to structure my thoughts and ideas, as some kind of public notepad from which I will later synthesize more formal articles. The idea of a public notepad might have seemed strange a few decades or perhaps only years ago but with the advent of the interactive web (the Web 2.0) it almost seems like a necessity to express one’s ideas publicly in order to get immediate feedback in a process that I would call ‘open peer-review’. In the end, with us belonging to one being, ideas and thoughts that are shared have far greater power than those that silently die away in a private notebook or diary. To me, the internet, having become something like the myelinated nervous system of our planet, is an important step towards a unified humanity and, thus, towards higher forms of consciousness. We should make use of it in the best way. With these words, I would like to invite you to also share your thoughts and ideas… After these words, the actual blog post:

As far as I understand it and to summarize it in a few words, IPI advocates that psychological research as we know it is very limited or even impoverished and in dire need of an upgrade. Most of what we know in psychology today is based on behavioral measures (e.g., reaction time), physiological measures (e.g., heart rate, brain waves, brain activation, neurotransmitters), and self-reports (questionnaires). No doubt, these approaches have proven to be very useful in order to describe and predict human behavior in many situations and they have many practical applications in technology, medicine, education, and therapy to name only a few. However, they are also limited to mechanical descriptions of behavior because consciousness has completely been left out of the picture. We still have no clue what we are actually doing on this planet and what this is all about. Or do we?

What is this thing called consciousness anyways? In the Western standard view of psychology, as I boldly call it here, consciousness is our subjective experience which is produced by our brain. According to this view, when we are awake and alive, we have consciousness because our brain is active. When we are asleep, comatose, or dead we do not have consciousness because our brain is passive. Perhaps there is some background activity happening during sleep, for instance, but we are not aware of it or only when we wake up and remember our dreams. In this view, only humans and perhaps a few animals like monkeys and dolphins have consciousness. At least one needs a nervous system to have it. A view which denies consciousness to simpler life forms and to objects or things. So far the standard scientific view.

This is where Indian Psychology comes in. India has many great traditions that have developed methods with which one can gain insight into one’s own mind and into consciousness. I will use the term consciousness in the way that it has been used in these traditions for thousands of years. This view basically says that all there is is consciousness and that all matter that exists is a momentary manifestation of that consciousness in an eternally ongoing play that has no beginning and no end to it. Everyone and everything is a manifestation of the one consciousness that is looking at itself, investigating itself from all kinds of different angles. The most famous Indian schools that hold this view are Hinduism and Buddhism, and somewhat less famous Sikhism and Jainism. The method of insight that is being used by these traditions is commonly known as yoga.

Yoga is more than just a bit of work-out, stretching, and panting. This is only one aspect of the whole discipline of yoga known as Hatha yoga, which strengthens and purifies the body. Apart from this physical component, yoga also has mental and spiritual components like meditation. In short, yoga can be defined as a set of techniques that purify body and mind and have as the ultimate aim total liberation.

Why is this of any interest to psychology and science?

For one, wouldn’t it be great if we could strengthen our prime instrument of analysis and interpretation? After all, no matter how sophisticated the technique we are using (like Magnetic Resonance Imaging or the Large Hadron Collider), we always end up using our mind to make sense of the data. Therefore, a purified and calm mind would certainly be beneficial.

But this is not all there is to it. Applying yoga to psychology opens up whole new ways of doing research. Instead of simply collecting third-person data samples about groups of people and formulating this or that theory about their behavior, yoga allows for direct and intimate knowledge of the object of study, including one’s own mind and one’s true inner self. I know this sounds a lot like the much-scolded introspection but there is an important difference in that introspection did not require the scientist to get rid of his own ego, his involvement in the observation. Yoga, however, is a discipline which does exactly that by meticulously purifying the mind. And since a real study of consciousness, of the hard problem of consciousness is only possible from within that consciousness, yoga is a prime candidate for tackling that problem.

Furthermore, what is lacking in much of today’s science is wisdom. Some of the research that is being done at universities, institutes, and companies today is potentially very harmful (think of GMOs and big pharma) and huge areas of research are more or less useless because the potential of young and clever minds/scientists is being wasted in the corroboration of outdated paradigms. What we should strive for is a change in the paradigm that is research itself. We need to let go the old materialist paradigm that treats human beings as machines that are broken and can be fixed by swallowing a pill. What research should be done for is building a better life on this planet. In most cases, we already know how to make life better for everyone but we lack the wisdom to apply that knowledge. Yoga could bring back just that wisdom to science and to society as a whole.

Well, this was obviously more than just a few words…

A short disclaimer: Perhaps not all that I say is 100% correct but it is to the best of my knowledge. I try to capture complex concepts in my own words. Be warned, at times these concepts and ideas might come out half-baked. Comments are always welcome!

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Suffering

Recently a friend of mine went through a break-up. Needless to say it was a very painful process. (I am of the opinion that breaking of hearts very often turns out to be far more painful and dramatic than it ought/ deserves to be). So coming back to my friend, he went through a miserable two months. The memories kept coming back, entire days were spent mourning in his room, there was no energy to do any kind of work, no other friends were good enough — in short life seemed to be a series of endless, painful days. I understood him well because I had gone through a heart-break too — just as dramatic as his.  While I was trying my best to help my friend get through this phase it struck me that it is all about perspectives when it comes to suffering. Some of us are far better at coping with it than others. To elaborate, here was a friend who felt his life was worthless because a girl dumped him (that too just after 6 months of dating!) And on the other hand was my maid who in the past five years that she had worked with us had had a series of far greater mishaps. She lost her father and her niece in a span of 6 months— both committed suicide. A year later she lost her brother (the one person who cared for her and helped her once in a while). She has a drunkard husband who abuses her physically and hasn’t ever given her a penny. She has one son, who unfortunately following his dad’s steps is an alcoholic too who instead of earning himself expects his poor mother to feed and clothe him.  She has been working as a maid since she was twelve. And now at forty she still struggles to make ends meet. But in spite of all this suffering my maid has one of the brightest and warmest smiles I have seen. She is such a happy person. Everyday is a new day for her. She moves along with the enthusiasm and innocence of a child. And I wonder from where does she get that courage and inner strength to cope with life? From where does she bring that 100 watt smile?

I am puzzled at the ways of the Universe… why do some people get to suffer so much more than the others? Why the inequality? I don’t have the answers yet. But what I do realize is that my heartbreak and that of my friend’s is not such a big deal after all!

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Thoughts on the way: My very own Divine

Thoughts on the way: My very own Divine

Born in a middle-class, traditional Hindu family, the notion of an all powerful and ever present “God” was handed down to me in a natural, easy and obvious manner. I did not consciously have to build up on the idea of the Divine — it came almost on its own. It is true, however, that the “puja room” in the house played its role and so did the sweet voice of my grandmother singing the same few bhajans, every single day of the first nine years of my life.

The so called “puja room” in the house was in reality two shelves of a wooden cupboard that had been decorated with innumerable photos and statues of most Hindu deities. There was Rama, Sita, Lakshman, Hanuman, Krishna, Radha, Shiva, Ganesh, Karthikeyan, Durga, Saraswati, Lakshmi, Kali — I mean these two shelves had enough space for the august meeting place of almost all major Hindu Gods.

As a little girl what struck me most was the devotion, care, and love with which my grandmother treated what in reality were simply some colourful photos and brass statues. But for my granny these photos and statues were the outward expression of everything that was true and perfect. They were the secret keepers of the real happiness. They were the silent supporters behind the daily happenings in life. In whatever measures she could she would try and invoke their presence. There was a long puja in the morning, which included the bathing and dressing the little statues, arranging flowers, lighting the fire, singing bhajans, and distributing the prasad. During my entire childhood I saw my grandmother spend two hours every morning around these two shelves. Therefore as a kid, I learnt that remembering the Divine (in whatever form, way or measure) was as important as anything else I would do.

In spite of this devout upbringing no one actually ever told me what or who exactly was the Divine. There was a general impression that the Divine was to be felt rather than understood or grasped. So as a little girl I simply imagined inside my head any God I wanted a favour from. They were easy to imagine because I had their photos and also so many stories had been recounted to me about their lives and feats. So in a way I always felt I knew them. But as I started to grow it became more and more difficult to imagine and I realized that they did not always grant me the things I wanted. And so it struck me that they weren’t as powerful as my grandmother had told me. Gradually, doubts and complaints began to arise inside.  “Do the Gods really exist? If yes, then how come I haven’t met any? Did my grandmother make up all those stories?” But in spite of these questions something deep inside just knew that some kind of Power looked after the world and me.  But on the surface I slowly started moving away from the Divine. Growing up took over.

In the midst of the busy unfolding of my life it was my Dad who brought me back to the notion of the Divine. It was during the tough, emotionally challenging teen years.  Life had become increasingly confusing and painful by the time I turned 16. Boundaries had stretched, values were being questioned, new-found emotions were emerging; all that was familiar and comforting seemed to fade away. I didn’t seem to know myself at all. It was at this painful juncture that my father suggested that I make an effort and try to go deep inside myself. He felt I would find the peace and comfort I was looking for in the depths of my own heart. And he added, “My dear, in due time you will also find Life’s most important secret lies inside your heart.”

So began my quest to explore the inner half of my being. I gradually learnt to go within. It was a slow and difficult process, especially because I was not trained to look inside myself. But with time I began to get familiar with the inner landscapes of my being. I often hesitated, stumbled, got lost but even then felt always a sense of absolute comfort because the territories I was charting were my own. I could decide where I wanted to go, how fast I wanted to travel, how far. It was this delightful sense of freedom and adventure that kept me exploring this world that existed inside of me. I began to better understand myself, I realized that I could first predict and then often control my reactions, the motivations behind my actions became clearer. As time passed, a sense of well-being that comes from a finer understanding of the self, began to take over my life. But on the other hand the challenges that Life threw at me were still fierce and tough; the difficulties didn’t stop and the pain was still acute. But these storms on the surface life did not affect the deep, calm waters in the depths of my heart. And it was this inner anchor that kept me happily afloat.

And now when I look back… I am inclined to think that the secret my father spoke about was none other than the fact that the Strength and Truth we find deep inside ourselves is in the end what we call the Divine.

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How to do research in Indian Psychology?

One of the hallmarks of Indian Psychology is the central role it gives to consciousness. But how do you study consciousness? Consciousness is quintessentially subjective, and mainstream science does its level best to be as objective as possible. Can subjective and objective research be brought together in one single framework?

During the last few hundred years, the hard sciences have produced a stupendous increase in our knowledge of the workings of the mind and the physical correlates of our consciousness, but even their most fascinating findings have failed to shed much light on consciousness itself. One could even argue that all this effort has actually diminished our understanding of consciousness, as the physicalist bias of the hard sciences has strengthened the idea that consciousness is no more then “a causally ineffective epiphenomenon of the physical processes that take place in our nervous system”. And this, to borrow Dennet’s phrase, is an exceedingly dangerous idea, because it trivializes virtually everything that is of real value in human life: meaning, truth, agency, feelings, love, beauty, ….

Social constructionism has added a radically new perspective to the world of science, as it has “problematized” the very idea of objective knowledge. Though this has led to the amusing “science wars”, constructionism and the hard sciences need not look at each other as implacable enemies: it is not hard to figure out that their views are not so much contradictory as complementary. While constructionism has focused on the first and the last stage of the scientific process — the formulation of the research question at the beginning, and the formulation of the results at the end — the hard sciences have focused on what comes in between — conducting experiments, collecting data, and using mathematics to analyze the results. It is in this middle stage that the hard sciences have made their greatest contribution to society, and it is this stage that researchers in the hard sciences value and enjoy.

There is much to be grateful for in the massive, collective labour of the hard sciences — its findings are valuable, effective and valid within their boundaries. Yet, it is also good to acknowledge its limitations and for scientists to pay attention to the wider social context in which they work. Only by working harmoniously together, the positivist and constructionist approaches to knowledge-generation can produce a harmonious picture that takes the social as well as the physical aspects of reality into account.

But what about psychology? It appears, unfortunately, that psychology has not yet found its swar, it own “song”, and its place in the collective harmony. What happens if we apply the dual perspective of social constructionism and objective science to psychology and consciousness studies? It is easy to see that social constructionism and its sister cognitive constructivism have something to contribute. Social influences do play a role in how people are aware of themselves and their surrounding, and how they ”construct” (or perhaps rather give a form to) their knowledge. The hard sciences tell us about the workings of our nervous system and the physical correlates of consciousness. The quantitative methods of traditional mainstream psychology tell us reliably how large populations of citizens “behave” and what they know about themselves. The newer qualitative methods provide some insight in how individuals experience themselves. And yet, psychology has hardly scratched the surface. It has hardly gone beyond what people already know about themselves. Psychoanalysis and Transpersonal Psychology have made brave attempts to go deeper and go beyond, but their methods are not rigorous and self-critical enough, and as a result, the knowledge they provide is often lopsided and limited. Collectively we have not reached a clear understanding of what goes on within the deeper and higher layers of consciousness, the stuff most people are not aware of and that, yet, determines what happens on the surface of our being.

It is here that the Indian tradition can make its crucial contribution. Its yoga-based methods of enquiry that have been honed for millennia can do for the deep, subjective study of consciousness what the hard sciences have done for the in-depth, objective study of matter. If taken together, the three approaches may then produce complementary, and mutually enriching knowledge in all three fields, in the physical, social and psychological domains.

So, what would research in Indian Psychology look like? Its core would be the use of yoga (in its widest, deepest sense) to affect inner changes, to activate and undergo processes within the realm of consciousness, to move through and study the complex, subtle, inner worlds that our ordinary waking consciousness doesn’t allow us to see, and then to use this new knowledge to transform one’s outer and inner nature. The other half of the effort would be to share the new knowledge and know-how in a manner that helps others to do the same.  Interestingly the sharing of yoga-based research can take three very different but equally effective forms: The first is an “objective”, technical, prosaic, description of a method, of something concrete and explicit which others can “do”. Good examples of this method might be the Yogasutras of Patanjali or Kamalashila’s Bhavanakrama: both give detailed, step-wise descriptions of how to reach higher states of consciousness. The second way is to describe the inner states and processes in such an evocative manner that the reader (or listener) can be carried by the language to a similar experience, or at least to a shadow of it. Typical examples of this second method are the verses of the Rig Veda and the Upanishads, the writings of Shankara, the poetry of Rumi, and Sri Aurobindo’s Savitri. All these authors did massive inner work, which then enabled them to write in such a manner that their texts carry the reader to far beyond his or her normal level of being and understanding. The third method is simply by sharing one’s “presence”, one’s style of being and responding to the world, so that the student can grow in his consciousness through some form of osmosis or “contagion”. All great yogis do this, but as typical examples of the third way, one could name Sri Ramakrishna and Ramana Maharshi. Both masters wrote little, hardly ever gave systematic instructions, and yet by their very being influenced millions and increased our knowledge of the “further reaches” of our human potential.

All this may seem very unscientific, and yet it may have more in common with the way science operates, than may be clear at first sight. After all the progress of science as a collective enterprise is not only made through the publication of scientific papers. New insights are also shared through their application in technology, and through the complex process of learning that takes place in universities and other research establishments. For students who want to become the next generation of scientists, it is not enough to study textbooks and research papers. They also have to absorb the methods and practices of their discipline, and, just as in yoga, the best amongst them have to manage spending time under the direct influence of the great exemplars of the preceding generation.

Perhaps one should consider then not only systematizers like Patanjali, but also poets like Rumi as researchers in the field of consciousness: both mastered complex inner processes, developed new knowledge, and an effective way to share their findings. While acknowledging fully that it may be more difficult to reach consensus on the value of a poem than on the validity of a mathematical formula or the effectiveness of a yogic “method”, one could perhaps argue that poetry plays a somewhat similar role in the field of inner consciousness studies, as mathematical algorithms in the hard sciences: for those who can read them, they light up large and complex issues in a precise and quick fashion that ordinary, linear prose cannot match.

Finally, it may be relevant to note that in the hard sciences, one can distinguish a continuum that has, on the one side, a small number of really great scientists who help the field to make large steps forward, and on the other side a huge mass of minor researchers who corroborate the findings of the really great. The former get famous, and rightly so, and yet, the latter are also important, as they add solidity, mass and sometimes detail to the body of science, even if they add little of entirely new knowledge. Similarly, in the field of consciousness-based psychological research, one can make a difference between the really great — yogis like the Rishis of the Rig Veda, Rumi, and Aurobindo — and a large mass of “small-timers”, people who can take up the texts of the really great, try to apply them in themselves, and then, for example through the qualitative methods of collaborative research, corroborate, refine, or problematize the findings of the great.

Putting the various elements of the argument together, we could then say first that the positivist methods of the hard sciences, the constructionist approaches of the social sciences, and the yoga-based methods of (Indian) psychology may give humanity a fairly comprehensive science of ourselves and the social and physical worlds we inhabit.

The second point is that within this triple framework, psychology should employ the whole range of methodologies: objective, positivist research for the study of the nervous system and  its workings; quantitative, standardized surveys for large populations (and for the relative placement of individuals within those populations); qualitative research methods for in-depth studies of individuals and small groups; and first-person, yoga-based research for those who can discern and describe their inner processes with sufficient precision for others to profit from their findings.

If you’re interested in some further reading on the subject, you could have a look here.

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Asia

Okakura Kakuzō, (1862-1913), a Japanese scholar wrote these beautiful lines on Asia :

“ASIA is one. The Himalayas divide, only to accentuate, two mighty civilisations, the Chinese with its communism of Confucius, and the Indian with its individualism of the Vedas. But not even the snowy barriers can interrupt for one moment that broad expanse of love for the Ultimate and Universal, which is the common thought-inheritance of every Asiatic race, enabling them to produce all the great religions of the world, and distinguishing them from those maritime peoples of the Mediterranean and the Baltic, who love to dwell on the Particular, and to search out the means, not the end, of life.”

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Why do we need Indian Psychology?

When modern psychology discovered in the beginning of the 20th century that introspection was not a very reliable method of enquiry, it did not discover anything new. The Indian civilization had discovered this thousands of years ago. What was different however, was how modernity reacted to this discovery. It is good to stand still at what happened for the consequences have been far-reaching and by and large negative.
Modern psychology escaped from the problem of introspection by redefining psychology as the science of behaviour. Initially this must have seemed a splendid idea and, especially in the USA, the whole field fell for it with a stunning degree of unanimity: psychology suddenly became a real science, purely objective, third-person, dealing in undisputable facts.

It took remarkably long before it began to dawn at what cost all this had come for the cost was high: By focusing exclusively on outer behaviour, almost everything that really matters to people had disappeared from view. Things like truth, love, joy, beauty, even meaning itself had become difficult to research, and so all those things that are central in a truly human life got an air of being intangible and unsubstantial. Moreover, as behaviour was easier to study in small (and cheap) animals than in people, the study of cognitive behaviour shifted to rats and pigeons. These “laboratory animals” were first starved and then taught random behaviour with the help of rewards in the form of food-pellets. And it is here that it all became really serious: the results of these animal studies were applied to human education, and so we have now children who are taught what to them appears as random facts, with the help of rewards in the form of marks and degrees. And once children are systematically trained to do anything whatsoever as long as it produces high marks, is it surprising that we end up with ‘grown-ups’ who are willing to do anything as long as it produces money?

It is hard to prove, but it appears at least that a relatively innocent looking choice regarding scientific methodology at the beginning of last century has led to one of the most serious problems our global civilization is presently facing: a true, world-wide epidemic of corruption and money-mindedness. It is obviously difficult to prove the link, and one may well argue that modern psychology is not anymore about “rats and stats”. We have now the well-established quantitative methodology of statistically processed surveys, more recently the promise of qualitative, narrative analysis, and a growing awareness of how knowledge gets socially constructed. But none of this goes deep enough. Good science goes below the surface, but these approaches don’t allow that to happen. The statistical surveys are limited to what representative populations of large numbers of lay people can report about themselves; the narrative analysis can not go beyond what concerned lay people already happen to know. Both have their use, no doubt, but the first cannot deliver more than a kind of sophisticated psycho-social geography, the second will find it difficult to rise beyond high quality journalism.
In case it is not clear whether this rather harsh criticism of mainstream psychology makes sense or not, it may help to consider what would have happened to astronomy if it would have followed the path taken by psychology. What would have happened if astronomy had limited itself to quantitative analysis of what large, representative populations of lay people see in the evening sky? It is clear that what people see is informed by their culture, it is also clear that one single “qualitative” interview with a farmer living high in mountains could have given better information on the sky than a large study of people living in the plains. But still, the real road ahead for astronomy was to forget about all this, and to ensure that a few highly trained professionals could make use of the most powerful and reliable pieces of equipment available.
Interestingly this is exactly what the Indian tradition has done in the field of psychology.

The ancient rishis and yogis realized, like their modern counterparts, that what ordinary people know about themselves is not worth much, but they did not shy away from the problem. Instead they analysed the causes for this human incapacity and then they set to work on methods to overcome these defects. They found that the two main problems were egoism, and a too naive reliance on what the senses make us believe. Regarding the former, they found that the egoism expressed itself through desires, preferences and the natural “vested interests” we all have in the outcome of our self-observations. All such factors lead in their own way to distortions. What is more interesting is that they found that it is actually possible to remove these obstacles, and that this not only leads to greater clarity of thought, but also to a remarkable type of unconditional inner joy and effectiveness in action. The latter may be a surprise to those who have been brought up on the virtues of “ego-strength”, but there is convincing scientific evidence that the detachment furthered by yoga and meditation actually does lead to greater social effectiveness and life-satisfaction. An anecdotal but almost certainly historical support for this comes, besides, in the form of the life of the Buddha, a living example of selflessness, and yet, one of the most influential individuals who ever lived.

Regarding the need to overcome the first impressions our senses give us, this is of course a hallmark of modern science. In the beginning of the modern, scientific era, the sense-impression of a “rising sun” was discarded in favour of a model in which the earth turns around its axis. More recent discoveries in quantum mechanics do not fit in our ordinary sense-based view of reality at all any more, and yet we use them as they can still be processed mathematically and used technologically. In a similar way, yoga and meditation have led to insights that are hard to grasp for the ordinary sense-based mind — for example “pure consciousness”, or the presence of “the Divine” as our deepest identity — but they can be made real experientially, and then they have a perfectly concrete, beneficial effect on our psychological existence.

Though the beneficial effects of yoga and mediation on our subjective sense of well-being have been shown to exists in numerous researches, they may still not be the most important contribution of the Indian tradition to psychology as a science. The most interesting might well turn out to be what the Indian tradition can contribute in terms of detailed, incisive and reliable psychological knowledge. For we should not forget that the ancient rishis were not only seeking for “ananda”; they were also seeking to overcome ignorance; they wanted true, undistorted knowledge. And real knowledge meant for them knowledge of the self, and this stress on looking inward first makes sense, for every thing we know or do, we achieve through our own nature. If our own nature is weak or distorted, everything we know or do will be tarnished by our weaknesses and distortions. So the first necessity it is to clean up, to purify and to get to know our own nature as thoroughly as we can. And this is exactly what jnana and purna yoga are about: to purify the inner instrument of knowledge so that it can provide undistorted truth about reality. If this purification and transformation are extended to the inner instruments of action, this will automatically lead to action which is no longer ego-based but in harmony with the whole.

Given the obvious treasures of psychological knowledge one can find alike in ancient scriptures like the Rg Veda, the Upanishads, and the works of modern yogis like Sri Aurobindo, it would be a great loss for humanity if modern Psychology chose to ignore this contribution. For the rishis developed something which mainstream psychology did not: a rigorous and effective method to develop detailed and reliable knowledge of the subjective domain. And this might well be the one thing humanity is presently most in need of.

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